Friday, January 26, 2007

Star Trek a CIA psyop plant

The CIA directed our culture?

Further argument:

BBC Southern counties Radio

Tommy Boyd talked about Star Trek and his saturday show during an
interview with Sci-Fi Universe Sunday evening.

SFU: "What do you think about Star Trek?"

Tommy Boyd: "At entry level it's roller coaster action Sci Fi with
meaningful themes.

Intermediate - it's predictable US TV trash.

Advanced - viewers know a propaganda tool when they see one."

SFU: "What do you think about other Sci-Fi series?"

TB: "I assume we are talking about TV?

I'm not really qualified. I watched Star Trek far more than any other

SFU: "What do you think about the response the show got compared to the
original 1996 broadcast on Talk Radio?"

TB: "The response to the latest show is just starting. Generally the 1996
show was hugely well received, but concentrated on the show's shortcomings
as illustrated by the simple truth that its audience was almost uniquely
adolescent males with dubious social horizons."

SFU: "Can you summarize the whole revelation again for our readers?"

TB: "Sure.

An overview:

The original Star Trek - Kirk and Spock etc had an ever-present sub-text
that American White men will one day rule the Universe, for the good of

Blacks, Aliens, Women and other minority groups could come on board so
long as they danced to the tune of Dixie.

The main bad guys are disturbingly close in looks and behavior to certain
racial stereotypes, which were and remain a concern to America's Right.

The Federation Trekkers never did or ever would encounter a civilisation
so profound they would even consider switching allegiance, or even
adopting some alien ethics.

The show's people were cute enough to throw a few bones to potential
critics to preserve the myth of moral integrity.



Gene Roddenberry was born in El Paso Texas, one-time HQ of the
Confederates during their war to preserve slavery. He was born at the
beginning of the KKK's most influential decade.

His father became an LAPD Cop.

He became a USAF Special Investigations Officer - their role: Counter
Intelligence. He started writing while in their employ.

He trained at the Uni of Columbia, where the significance of symbolism in
literature would have been entrenched.

He became an LAPD Cop, before getting writing work on numerous TV Westerns.

This was at the time when the Cold War with the USSR was being fought with
propaganda, and a real war was being fought against the Vietnamese.

And cigarrettes had just been declared hazardous.

Anyone want to guess his probable politics? His mission? How he got
business to invest in his "vision"?


Maybe he inserted some coded references that would satisfy them a little?


Anyone want to explain the profusion of "K's" in Star Trek's main features?

Star Trek






Why choose "Pike" for the original Captain?

Gen Albert Pike was the KKK's most famous member during their
establishment. A Confederate.

Anyone know a better reason to name your hero after him?


The original programme proposal had a Captain called "April". The Civil
War ran from April 1861 to April 1865.

Anyone got a better explanation?


They went with "Kirk". What's a Kirk?

The flag of the Confederates was a Cross of St Andrew's - a rare symbol
for a flag. The KKK flag was the same.

St Andrew is the Saint of the Scottish Church.

The Scottish word for church is ..."Kirk".

Anyone got a better reason why he chose the name Kirk?


Why call it a "Trek"

"Trek" is speciafically an Afrikaans term, entrenched in the Boer conquest
of Natal Province South Africa, where they "VoorTrekked" into the land
belonging to the black South Africans and ultimately established
Apartheid, the world's worst example of institutionalised White domination
over Black people.


Finally I have a question for Star Trek fans to answer:


Everyone in the media is aware of the control which sponsors exert over
the shows they pay for.

Anyone know who sponsored the first series of Star trek?

Who came in and paid for the resurrection of the show after it was
cancelled having bombed?

Who were the big advertisers on the show?


Roddenberry said he had fights to keep cigarrettes off the show, and a
Christian priest off the Enterprise.

Sounds to me that someone with a commercial and possibly White Protestant
agenda might have been strongarming.


We know what Roddenberry knocked away. What did he have to put into the
show on the money men's insistence?


I suspect Gene Roddenberry simply wanted to be a successful
writer/producer, but even Shakespeare had to write his plays to suit his
King's visions.


Go ahead. You do some work. You might learn more about the real world you
live in today, and if you do I've done more for you than Gene Roddenberry,
who taught you about life on the non-existent Planet Drax etc in two
hundred years time.


And I'm only in for your immortal soul, not your merchandise dollar.


SFU: Finally, how do you respond to those calling the show a ratings stunt?

TB: It's not. I'm fascinated by the discoveries I've unearthed, and expect
that none of the 10 million "fans" of Star Trek - and the American Way -
will have an ounce of good argument or counter evidence to produce. And in
many ways this is how the Amrican dream will end. Not with a bang, but
with a whimper: "He's a jerk I think so...because...
well what does he know... and his arguments...well I never read them
through...they probably did you see the tits on that chick
from Planet Drax!  Star Trek is like so meaningfull..." Meanwhile watch
Europe chugging up your stands rail, the Tiger economies eating your tiny
dollars up and are third world... and Band Aid is singing
songs to keep you in hamburgers and DVDs... 

Re: Are There Some Hidden Meanings In 'Star Trek'? Date: 12-20-2004

Was the original "Star Trek" series nothing more than a propaganda tool
for NBCin the 1960s?

BBC Radio talk show host Tommy Boyd has expressed that possibility on his
radioshow over the years, bringing it to a head last weekend in a radio
where hetalked to fans and journalists who have an interest in the Star
franchise.Boyd has opened himself to a lot of attacks from Star Trek fans
on the
Internet,but he recently told SyFy Portal's Michael Hinman that he stands
by many
of theclaims he has made.

The biggest claim that Boyd made, however, was what exactly the late "Star
Trek"creator Gene Roddenberry had in mind when he created the series. Boyd
to get an idea, they only had to look as far as what Roddenberry's life was
like before "Star Trek.""His flying career for the military was
exemplary," Boyd said.

"He is clearly a flyer of great skill, courage and resource. One can only
admire his
character and integrity. After combat duties, he went to work for an
which was called Special Investigations within the U.S. Air Force.

"Most published biographies of Roddenberry describe this period in the
man's lifeas a time when he investigated plane crashes within the
military. However,
Boyd said it's not entirely accurate."Maybe you're right to trust that the
Internet biographies have the whole picture when they say he was confined
to checking out plane crashes," Boyd said.

"Nevertheless, the official USAF recruitment site states that one of the
two prime missions of his unit was counter-intelligence against foreign
intelligence services. Maybe it wasn't when he was involved. I'm someone
wants to know rather than trust that my hopes are enough.

"Boyd also said that he felt that Roddenberry's later career as a sergeant
in the Los Angeles Police Department was also suspect on the man's later
reputation of being a "liberal humanitarian."

"Gene worked in two of the west's most buttoned-down bastions of the Right
Wing establishment: USAF Special Operations and the LAPD," Boyd said. "I'm
reading nothing into that, only that the facts are there. Make of them
what you
will.Investigate them further."Boyd also said that big advertisers forced
Roddenberry to compromise a lot of his vision, which ended up furthering
their own personal and political agendas.

"My suspicion is that some executives high up in whoever pumped big money
into the early 'Star Trek' battled to shape the show's 'vision' of the
to look like their personal or professional preference," Boyd said. "Gene
back and compromised. That is how you get things done in TV.

"[But] we need to know who were the money men in the early days. Not a
vague'studio' or production company. Names. Backgrounds.

Especially the people who came back and funded the return of the original
All I know is that a struggling company -- Desilu -- found a backer for
the pilot, and that changes were made. Who put up the half a million?
What did they want?"Boyd said that Desilu's biggest corporate backer was
Phillip Morris, who at the time was promoting their cigarettes, and that
rumors have always abounded that the company may have been affiliated
with the Ku Klux Klan. But that's not where the propaganda ends, according
to Boyd.

"Be alert to the climate of the time: a Cold War fought with propaganda,"
he said. "A real war against Asian communists fought with actual weaponry.
The USA was at war, and fighting it on every front. Plus, a world that
learnt in
1965 that cigarettes were bad for you. There's an industry in need of a
future."Other questions that Boyd brings up were brought up on his radio
recently,like the high occurence of the letter "K" in character names and
show'stitle, the use of the names "April" and "Pike" for characters, and
how the
captain's name eventually became "Kirk.""Why are the recurring enemy
so evocative (physically and behaviorally) of racial stereotypes which
[the] right-wing
establishment would regard as domestic and international threats?" Boyd

"If we get some answers to those questions, we can make judgments about its
agenda due to association -- or not-- with neo-political organizations.

"Since Boyd's radio show -- where SyFy Portal's Michael Hinman was one of
the guests featured during the program -- many fans have blasted some of
claims that Boyd has made. Many of those complaints were found on Trek
TrekBBS."This is quite disturbing, what he is doing," said a poster named
Enterpriser on the message boards. "He's not that far away from
defamation at this point.

He's saved by the fact that Mr. Roddenberry is no longer with us. But his
and son live." 'How can you assure me ...' he asks. It's not up to us to
assure him.
He's the one presenting the preposterous theory. It's an extraordinary
claim he's
making. Thus, he must present the extraordinary proof.

"Boyd did state that he felt propaganda pieces in the form of shows like
StarTrek could be a catalyst for World War III. However, when asked if he
could think of any wars in modern history that was started by popular
he couldn't name any."All wars are fought on the basis of 'our' side being
right and the enemy being wrong," Boyd said. "Governments disseminate
the idea through every media they can. 'Star Trek' is all about the near
perfection of our guys and the dreadful activities of certain
enemies -- Klingons and Romulans."Excerpts of the show, including
with Hinman and some other fans, is available on the Internet by clicking
Many of his theories were presentedon his show, which airs in parts of the
Great Britain."Guys like this disguest me, they really do," said Antony F
on the TrekBBS message boards. "This guy is ill, really. If Trek was meant
to be this KKK-funded, racist program, then it really backfired.
His whole obsession is over the fact that the letter 'K' is used a lot in

"What does Boyd think of these kind of responses?

"I have nothing to fear from personal attacks," Boyd said. "I trained for
two years to become a Samurai, and achieved the status of Ronin. Not much
for sword play in the South of England, but I am someone who marches toward
the sound of battle."Is he challenging Star Trek fans to a duel?
Move over Zell Miller.

Received on Tue Jan 11 2005 - 15:45:39 PST



17 November, 2006 Star Trek - Fascistoid CIA propaganda

American cultural assumptions.

In the beginning we have a Kennedy-era scenario stuffed with all the
'can-do' spirit of a Robert McNamara press conference. An Imperial project
was implicit. The program was originally to be called 'Wagon Train to the
Stars', before a canny producer switched to the snappier 'Star Trek'
(appropriating a term from the Boer colonisation of the African interior).
Of course with a black character on the bridge the show was always built
on a paradox, conquering in the name of diversity. By the late 1980s, Star
Trek: The Next Generation firmly espoused a post-Vietnam, post-Cold War,
alien-friendly outlook. As Jenkins notes, the 1987 edition of the Star
Trek writers manual warns:

We are not in buying stories which cast our people and our vessel in the
role of 'galactic policemen' ... Nor is our mission that of spreading 20th
Century Euro/American cultural values throughout the galaxy ... We are not
in the business of toppling cultures that we do not approve of. As the
authors themselves concede, there is room for a detailed study of this
transformation. A lively cultural history of American television
production and viewing could be written around the Star Trek phenomenon.
It would be valuable to look at the behind the scenes debates behind the
voyage from TV fiction's first inter-racial kiss in the 1960s, to the
ambiguously liberal 1990s when, same sex relationships may be shown, but
only after it has been explained that one of the participants is actually
a male alien who has assumed a female body. This book is emphatically not
that or any other kind of history. Instead it has merely succeeded in
opening the door to a subject which, like the Doctor's police box, is
bigger on the inside than it seems from outside. The result is,
nonetheless, as Spock would say: 'fascinating'.



Download AUDIO (in snippets):

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THE PROPOSITION: Tommy sets the topic for discussion and makes a case for
his views on Star Trek.

CHRIS CALLS: The first caller for the night arguing against Tommy's
proposition is Chris from Leeds.

MICHAEL CALLS: All the way from Tampa, Florida is the second caller of the
night, Michael Hinman.

REX CALLS: A few emails and Rex calls in from Salt Lake City, USA.

SETH CALLS: All the way from Fort Myers, Florida, Seth calls in and he
sounds a lot like Mr Armstrong from Emmerdale...

MIKE CALLS: Mike from St George, Utah calls in.

THE EMAILERS: And the emails flood in...

MORE EMAILS: Much more emails accusing Boyd of being ignorant...

CHRIS RETURNS: Chris has called back from Leeds and he's not very happy...

KEVIN CALLS: All the way from Arizona, USA is Kevin...

EVEN MORE EMAILS: The emailers are getting more angry...

FINAL CALLERS: Tom calls in followed by Bernard to round the show up.

United in Hatred - The Anoraks Are Off -- The Phasers Are Set to Kill

A Star Trek Night Post-Mortem

UK Radio Presenter Incites Temporary Unification of Trek Fandom Whilst
Becoming the Recipient of Ugly Yet Entertaining Internet Retaliation

Hundreds, possibly thousands, of online Star Trek fans (where internal
bickering is more than rife) were brought together (in the Star Trek
spirit of putting aside past differences to fight a common foe) to
participate in a live showdown on BBC Southern Counties radio.

Only the often maligned, and much more revered, Tommy Boyd, could have
united the largely dysfunctional and argumentative Star Trek Community in
their collective hatred.

"I have had a bad day... But that has pissed me off no end. My god... what
a massive wanker. Why Star Trek?"

Source: Trek BBS, Chandler

The topic was Star Trek. The proposition: the danger its influence poses
for our future; and the possible authority that people with a racist
agenda could have imposed upon the shows inception. Purely original
research was put out over the airwaves, and the possibilities explored. No
concrete conclusions were made, but the findings are there for the
conspiracy theorists, and investigative Star Trek journalists, to have fun

"Boyd said that Desilu's biggest corporate backer was Phillip Morris, who
at the time was promoting their cigarettes, and that rumors have always
abounded that the company may have been affiliated with the Ku Klux Klan."

Source: SyFy Portal's Hidden Meanings In Trek Article, Author: Michael

This theory is taken further, in a possible revelation that has never
before been aired among or by the Star Trek fanbase.

"When a writer takes a product to a sponsor, the sponsor wants something
in return. Rarely is that only the smell of straight profits. They have
agenda. I've made over a thousand nationally networked TV shows including
stuff for Disney and the NBA, I know what happens."

Tommy Boyd

It's a bit like panto really. You cast someone as the villain -- and when
they're on stage you get the hisses and the boos. How panto differs from
what happened on Saturday night is that when the actor comes off stage,
most people are asking for their autograph... The is not the case with
Tommy Boyd's Star Trek night. Far from it!

Before the show aired, people wanted blood. One message board advocated
actual violence, flame spamming our email address, and called Tommy every
name under the sun including a w**ker.

"Tommy Boyd Is a complete a**hole,what right does he have to call trek
fans lonesome, antisocial people, F***ers like him should BURN IN HELL!!!
DIE SOB. Also feel free to send flaming emails to him "

Source: Save Enterprise Forums, georgy

During the show, people emailed in calling him names that are illegal to
broadcast and we would never dream of editorialising on this internet site.

"Anyone curious about the ballistic effects of a 5.56x45mm JHP to this
morons skull?"

"I am"

Source: Save Enterprise Forums, Martok201

One fan site decided to put a lot of effort in creating a plaque for Tommy:

The full image can be found here at the Subspace Comms Network

Tommy's response to the plaque:

"The guys with the plaque can't spell "contemptible" - unless they do mean
"contempable" which comes from contemper; means to moderate."

Tommy Boyd

After the show, the knives were further sharpened, weaponry reloaded, and
knuckles ready for further combat. The fact that the show may have brought
up something deep and meaningful about our acceptance of reported events;
and that we should always question that which we believe is true, was lost
on the majority of new listeners.

But not lost, by most accounts from the feedback we've been getting from
the sharp and intelligent representatives of the fanbase that appeared
live on air.

"...I had a great time on Boyd's show. He's very entertaining, and I can
definitely see why he has a following. I had to burst out laughing a few
times, because he's very good at what he does. "

Source: SyFy Portal's Conspiracies Everywhere Article, Author: Michael

It has been said that Tommy Boyd lied about the interacial kiss. Research
has shown that Captain James Kirk actor William Shatner himself had this
to say on page 381 of his Star Trek Memories novel: "The widely held
assumption that Star Trek features the first interracial kiss in the
history of television is absolutely untrue." It was filmed in such a way,
that they appeared to kiss. But their lips never actually touched.

So unless the main actor in that scene was lying, the point still stands
that the kiss never actually happened. It was studio propaganda -- and it
worked. The whole point of the show was based on various possible
behind-the-scenes propaganda devices that may have manifested themselves
in some unsettling observations about the representation of alien races.

"Why are the recurring enemy so evocative (physically and behaviourally)
of racial steroetypes which right-wing establishment would regard as
domestic and international threats?"

Tommy Boyd

It has also been said that Tommy was rude and obnoxious in regard to Star
Trek fans, their lifestyles and their social horizons. Sorry folks but
when you go fishing, you have cut the fish's mouth before you can reel it
onto the boat! Fishing is never a clean business, and millions of people
are happy to eat the fish once the dirty work has been done.

"Your all proving him right by continuing this, and people calling for his
sacking - even calling for TrekBBS to take legal action in one thread???
All this does is prove his point - to a degree where I'm starting to
believe him myself. To use a time worn, but relevant phrase: Get a f***ing
life. It has gone on way too far now."

Source: Trek BBS, Jim Steele

Two excellent interviews have appeared in which Tommy has had his response
to various bright Star Trek journalists still wanting to learn more:

Source: SyFy Portal's Hidden Meanings In Trek Article, Author: Michael

Source: Sci-Fi Universe interviews Tommy Boyd, Author: Michael

So in the interest of providing some further balance to the night, let's
hear from the people who actually got involved and spoke to Tommy during
the show. Surely their views count for a lot more substance because they
can actually back their opinions up through the actual experience of
appearing that night.

The Shrine sent a series of questions to each one of our Volunteers. Below
are the unedited and honest responses from those who got back to us:

1. Did you enjoy debating with Tommy? If not, what didn't you like?

CHRIS: By and large, yes! He's clearly very good at what he does and
whilst it would be interesting to see if he performed as well in a
situation where control didn't rest with him, he's clearly a pro at
debating in that format. Perhaps my only complaint was that he did have
the ability to draw the argument to a close when he so wished (and talk
over the guests!) but I can't see that I went in not fully aware of what I
was getting into!
MICHAEL HINMAN: While I disagree with some of the outlandish claims that
Tommy made, I was afraid he might be like many American radio talk show
hosts where he would try to talk over me. That's why I talked so fast in
the beginning, lol! But Tommy was very polite, and I was highly
KEVIN: Yes I did, I thought it was a fun thing to do.
SETH: I did enjoy the chat, although it was very brief and I didn't get to
talk about the lack of manure in the cargo-holds on the starship
Enterprise. Obviously a conspiracy against Bogdale farmers in the future.

2. What did you think of Tommy Boyd after the discussion?

CHRIS: I was singularly impressed with his manoeuvre at the end of "it was
all silly anyway, but you still couldn't prove it wrong!". I felt he
didn't have the better end of the argument nor did it feel like he'd "won"
the argument; but you had to admire the way he made it seem plain that he
was right. Whilst I don't usually go in for sensationalism and hype, he
seems to wield his words very skilfully and you've gotta take your hat off
to him for that.
MICHAEL HINMAN: Actually, I think I might tune in again. I know a lot of
Star Trek fans are pissy with him right now, and I still think his claims
are very outlandish. But he was entertaining, and kept me interested ...
interested enough to listen again.
KEVIN: I think he's well educated and has insightful ways of interpreting
the media.
SETH: That he's a daft Southern bastard! Captain Kirk is and always will
be the dogs bollocks. Get a life Tommy and pick on some other poor sods,
not us Star Trek fans. Other than that, I really like the man.

3. Does this view differ to your thoughts on Mr Boyd before the show aired?

CHRIS: My father said to me earlier on Saturday, "Son, tell him how you
saw him on kids' TV a decade ago, and he was a w**ker then too!" I confess
after hearing his TalkSport Trek show, I had a pretty low opinion of him.
I feel he's gone from a tabloid-like style to a more broadsheet-like
style; and like such a newspaper, he might be on the opposite side of the
opinion to me but I can at least take him seriously now!
MICHAEL HINMAN: I honestly wasn't that familiar with Tommy beforehand. I
listened to a little bit of his work online before I came on the show, and
I felt he was highly entertaining then. So, I don't think it's too
different. I still think he's highly entertaining.
KEVIN: Before the interview I had feared he was just a blow-hard trying to
get ratings by being caustic on the air.
SETH: Before the show I remember Tommy as that a**e-hole from Children's
television. Thankfully that is now replaced with newer thoughts. I now
know him as that a**e-hole from BBC radio!

4. What are your reactions to the proposition that the KKK *may* have had
a slice of the Star Trek pie, or that somebody, other than Gene
Roddenberry, influenced the way that minorities are being perceived on the
show in a negative light?

CHRIS: If they did have such an involvement, it has backfired
spectacularly. If such a subtext was there, it was so subtle that
generations have missed it and instead seen a positive, upbeat take on the
future where equality is everything. You can never say that they didn't
have involvement; but you can never say that the Americans landed on the
moon and you can never say Tony Blair is a closet transvestite. I just
don't happen to believe any of those assertions because they seem a tad
MICHAEL HINMAN: Herb Solow was the man who served as the network's
representative on the set, and I know that there was a lot of conflict
over what the network wanted, and what Gene wanted. Gene was hardly a
perfect man. No one denies that. But wanting to gain more influence for
organizations like the KKK? I don't think so. And not even because he was
from Texas. I'm from Pennsylvania, that doesn't make me Amish.
KEVIN: I think that is a conclusion reached rather at arm's length. There
are certainly elements of latent racism but they are, in my opinion,
rather diluted and there is too much counter-evisence to support this.
SETH: Complete and utter bollocks. If true then why didn't Captain Kirk
wear a white hood? Roddenberry was allegedly boning the actress who plays
Uhura. And anyone can tell you if you're having sex with a lady on the
side you have to keep her bread buttered the right way. You can't hide
anything from women.

5. Is there anything you would like to say to Tommy that you didn't get a
chance to during the broadcast?

CHRIS: There were plenty of issues I wanted to brush but obviously Tommy
wanted to move on rapidly (or perhaps he was frightened he'd be proven
wrong!). I did want to tell him I'd seen him on the Sooty show at age five
emerging from a giant television, and that at the time I was not a fan of
his CITV replacement with a giant animated caterpillar.
MICHAEL HINMAN: Yeah ... I'm really sorry that you turned a major,
well-organized fan base against you. But hey, at least they'll be
listening to what you might say next!
KEVIN: Many of the actors playing Klingons were white, and there are a
host of white-skinned bad guys throughout the different series. In another
instance it is said that Khan's villany is supported by his Latino
qualities. "White" is a rather loose term in the USA due to our history of
cross breeding, and personally Ricardo Montalban strikes me as a white guy.
SETH: I would just like to tell Tommy that there are conspiracy theories
for everything. It doesn't make it true. In fact I have heard a a theory
that the reason Tommy was axed from Children's television is because he
got caught shafting Anne Diamond behind the TV-AM sofa. Just a rumour like.

6. Would you ever be willing to talk to Tommy again on a future show (Star
Trek or other based)?

CHRIS: Probably so. I think more than anything else, it's the challenge
that would motivate me. It would be interesting to see whether more
chatting with Tommy would lead me to respect his work more or revert back
to thinking he was an overpaid sensationalist hack.
MICHAEL HINMAN: Tommy can bring me on anytime he likes. I love talking
movies and television, and I would enjoy speaking with him again.
KEVIN: Of course, although I was not a vitriolic as the other guests as I
agreed with many of Tommy's points I thought it was great fun.
SETH: Oh absolutely. I would be willing to give Tommy a right seeing too
on the radio again about anything (that's metaphorical you understand).

7. Finally, any additional comments?

CHRIS: Yes! Those emails he read out near the end of the show that he
attributed to me weren't. For the record, none of my e-mails got on to the
show. Oh, and Allison is very nice on the phone. Can we see a show where
she presents and callers have to get through Tommy instead to get on air?
MICHAEL HINMAN: No further comments.
KEVIN: Please give me a heads up if the show plans on having me on again.
SETH: Yes, there was a lesbo kiss on Deep Space 9, so you were wrong that
there aren't any gays on the show. The fact that they were man and wife
(male and female) in a past life does not discount that fact. Anyway I
have yet to see how that story ends as my video chews up from too much
freeze-frame. Don't tell the wife!

"I have nothing against Star Trek fandom. I wonder though, what percentage
are white middle class youths compared to minorities?"

Tommy Boyd

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