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'Terror Timeline' author raises questions about 9-11

Submitted by u2r2h on Sun, 09/10/2006 - 6:11am.

Terror Timeline' author raises questions about 9-11

Talk included film marathon critical of U.S. government

Sunday, September 10, 2006


PEORIA - With the fifth anniversary of Sept. 11 fast approaching, a series of films critical of the U.S. government's official version of the disaster were shown Saturday at the Peoria Public Library.

The film marathon, which attracted about 60 people, featured a talk by Paul Thompson, author of "The Terror Timeline," a book that pieces together news stories and government documents to raise questions about the government's possible prior knowledge of or involvement in the attacks.

After the talk was a screening of the recently released "9/11: Press for Truth," a film based on Thompson's book that also chronicled the campaign of four Sept. 11 widows who pushed for an investigation into the attacks, an effort that culminated in the 9/11 Commission report.

"We're just wanting to put the facts out there," Thompson said before his talk. His book and the related film question, among other things, whether and how the federal government ignored multiple warning signs to the attack.

Thompson pointed to numerous warnings from outside governments and within the U.S. government, including a memo generated for President Bush in August 2001 titled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.," and which Thompson believes should have received more attention.

"How is it that all these things came in ... and yet when the Bush administration was asked, 'What did you do?' they couldn't point to a single thing," Thompson said.

Fueled in part by Web sites and videos on the Internet, many conspiracy theories about Sept. 11 are gaining some following across the country. A Scripps Howard poll conducted in July that surveyed 1,010 adults found that 36 percent considered it "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that the federal government either participated in the Sept. 11 attacks or took no action to stop them "because they wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East," according to Scripps Howard News Service.

Among the theories is the notion that the World Trade Center's twin towers were taken down by explosives, rather than collapsing on their own after two hijacked planes struck them, and the Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile rather than a Boeing 757 aircraft. These and other theories have been featured on the popular Internet video "Loose Change," a film that has been heavily criticized for fact errors.

The "9/11: Press for Truth" film shown Saturday did not focus on any specific conspiracy theories, though it questioned the generally accepted conclusions about the terrorist attacks. Many who attended the film said they were skeptical of the government's involvement in Sept. 11 before seeing the video, and they found the subject matter interesting.

"There's a huge number of unanswered questions," said Jay Meinrich, a Peoria resident who said he believes the federal government was involved in the attacks.

"The main thing was the very quick targeting of Osama Bin Laden," he said of his initial reasons for being skeptical. "It seemed like a quick rush to judgment."

The video screening will continue at the library at 4 p.m. Monday, the fifth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.

Eliot Brown can be reached at 686-2114 or


Is It on DVD?

This documentary is great -everyone should see it,
where can we get 50 or 100 copies?


9/11: Press The Truth

I just finished watching "9/11: Press The Truth" online and although it seems only to promote the "incompetence theory and government cover-up", it also strongly hints at the LIHOP theory.

It does not go into any detail about the causes of the collapse of the Twin Towers or WTC 7 other than to say that 'before 9/11 and since no steel structure high rise buildings have ever collapsed due to fire'. It does not address anything about the Pentagon strike or Flight 93 either. But I believe that this film could be used very effectively to open up the eyes of many people who would otherwise automatically shut down if they were immediately told about the MIHOP theories.

Perhaps we could use this film as a 'gateway drug' to get people to watch more of the MIHOP based films like Alex Jones' "Martial Law", "Loose Change", "Face The Facts", "What's The Truth" or a seminar/lecture by Professor Steven Jones, Dr. David Ray Griffin and others.

Show them "9/11: Press The Truth" then hand them a copy of the Northwoods Document and say "Now, would you be interested in learning more facts regarding 9/11 and our government's involvement?"

Just a thought.

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" – Edward R. Murrow

The movie is certainly

The movie is certainly palatable as it has the credibility of the Jersey Girls behind it, and uses the 'Terror Timeline' (a brilliant piece of work) to show a clear and unmistakable path through the spin generated around 9/11.

This is perhaps the single most powerful tool to educate the masses, it gives a narrative that is sound reasonable and believable.

I am surprised the google video is not on the top of 911blogger under recent media.

LIHOP will get you to a new investigation, and a new investigation will get you to MIHOP.


I just got done explaining to someone else that it's a gateway film then I see this post.
I concur whole-heartedly.
It's not about how effective it is at showing the bottom of the rabbithole...
that in itself is entirely ineffective.
Getting people to warm up to the idea is the first measure of business.

It takes extremely open minded individuals to see light in films like Martial Law and others right away.
Most people abject to what these films talk about, unless they're eased into it by way of just highlighting how entirely BS the official story is.

Ya know, so many people are expecting these films to get people to perform high jumps off the ski ramp....and that since the instructor can't reasonably be expected to get the performer to do these things off the bat, they claim the instructor is useless, or some 'agent' and other conspiratorial tripe.
To get people to understand these alarming concepts, they need the basics layed down in front of them first of all.
This film lays down the basics. It gets the baby-steps rolling for the inert public to start the wheels turning inside the head.

I think we need many more films like these that highlight all the inconsistencies instead of starting off with a conclusion.
With enough of these, it will reach a point where people have little choice but to simply accept the fact that an inside job makes the most sense.
Let's not work backwards, let's support the most effective learning process for people to wake up.


My proposed 'lesson plan' to the truth of 9/11 being exposed effectively...

1) 9/11: Press for Truth

2) The Great Conspiracy: The 9/11 News special you never saw

3) Terrorstorm

In that order.
These, in my opinion, are the most professional looking films. Other movies are good but they have that 'amateur' feel to them which tends to give people bad first impressions.

The first presents the official story to be a fraud.
The second looks at the surrounding aspects around 9/11.
the third of course delves into the 'real world' big picture of summarizing what is going on beyond 9/11.

It would be important to append your own comments about each, that there may be some aspects that aren't entirley supported by you.
I have found flaws with each of them and therefore tell people I don't believe EVERYTHING it says, that there are some errors/inefficiencies...just as with any documentary.

Right on Trashaero!

Also consider "911revisited" in between PFT and TS.

LC2E, Sept11REvisited TerrorStorm

I've made and given away 1400+ copies of LC2E and September 11 Revisited. I'm adding Terrorstorm.
Press for Truth would be great but it is copy protected.

The criticism of Press for Truth is that it is LIHOP. I think that anything that causes a break in the "official" story is a good thing. Once people have doubts they may look for themselves or start talking to others and soon find themselves MIHOP.

True, Press for TRUTH has little to offer us as far as new unseen evidence, but it does offer hope that TENS of MILLIONS will be joining us soon.

We must be the change we wish to see in the world. M Gandhi

Include a David Ray Griffin lecture

Excellent choices. In addtion I would include a David Ray Griffin lecture. I have used the Madison, WI speech to introduce the concepts to many individuals. He is an excellent speaker and they seem comforted by the fact that he is a silver-haired theologian, it took place at a university, and it aired on C-Span.

Excellent choices!

I think you may be very correct in your presentation chronology and strategy Trrashaero. Easing them into it slowly may work very well. What have your responses been like?

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" – Edward R. Murrow

9/11: Press For Truth

9/11: Press For Truth, in combination with the Jersey Girls about to begin their full steam ahead National Campaign calling for a new 9/11 investigation, is going to be what ultimately leads to the collapse of the Bush administration. It is inescapable. Anyone who watches 9/11: Press For Truth and thinks otherwise, didn't actually watch 9/11: Press For Truth.

I am predicting that that combination of 9/11: Press For Truth, and the Jersey Girls' National Campaign, starting on Monday at the National Press Club, will lead to the collapse of the Bush administration very quickly.

9/11: Press For Truth is incredible. I presently do not see any way that logical, rational, sane people can deny nor refute its content. It is brilliant. I believe that it IS the first answer to the question of "how to win this."

A new 9/11 investigation is when all of the other main alternate 9/11 theories and explanations will get their shine, and those which are true, will be proven as such. Those which are quack, will be dropped in the garbage. Bye bye NPT, to name but one.


9/11 Press For Truth indeed

9/11 Press For Truth indeed is a very good film! probably the best and most effective one ive seen so far on this subject.
Also, i think it does more than just hint at LIHOP... i'd say it hints more at MIHOP in a way. But that is not of great importance i.m.o., what it sure does is showing that something is terribly wrong. And its going to be hard for the 'debunkers' to trash this one!!
Is anyone aware of german subtitles being in production or planned for this?
It's exactly the kind of film i'd like to show to my non-english speakin relatives and friends.

I just downloaded the XVID

I just downloaded the XVID DIVX version

torrent on

have yet to view it.

But I found this incidental music

and tell us all what this music on radio4all is?


I know for a fact that this is a must hear:

type TUC RADIO into the radio4all search...

Submitted by u2r2h on Wed, 09/13/2006 - 2:20am


Despicable MSM articles....

Submitted by u2r2h on Sun, 09/10/2006 - 6:39am.

As we speak, every 20 minutes there is a new despicable article that
dis-informs and slanders:

The enduring conspiracy factor

... the 1969 Apollo moon landing was staged in Hollywood;

"The Kennedy assassination was of such historical significance that the explanation that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone sounds weird,"

Frank Greening,

He expected his study would lend credence to the conspiracy theorists, but to his surprise, it showed that trauma at upper levels could indeed bring down the buildings in the manner and rate that occurred.

9/11: A defining moment for US

Then there are the inevitable conspiracy theories with some suggesting that the 9/11 attacks were in fact the handiwork of the administration designed to give it an excuse to fight a war for oil in the Middle East.

Two 20 something kids have even produced a short video of "Loose Ends" picked up from the Internet footage of the attacks to suggest that the twin towers fell in a controlled implosion, the Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile and not a plane, and the third flight headed for the White House was taken down by the US Air Force.

There is of course a perfectly logical explanation for the little puffs of dust seen rising from the bottom of the twin towers even before they collapsed and a smaller hole in the outer wall of the Pentagon.

The fumes at the bottom rose because of the build up of air pressure lower down as the upper floor fell and the hole in the Pentagon was only 75 feet wide because it was made by the fuselage of the Boeing 757 after its 124-foot-wide wings had broken off.

The fifth anniversary Monday also witnesses a whole host of rituals like peace marches, memorial meetings, interviews with the survivors and so on.

In 9/11, they see a government conspiracy
True believers gather in NYC to offer theories, try to change minds
Ellen Barry Los Angeles Times Sept. 10, 2006 12:00 AM

NEW YORK - Striding into Washington Square Park with a fistful of photocopied circulars and an earnest expression, Eric Williams could have been an environmental canvasser or a hip missionary. In fact, he is a pastry chef,

Raft of books mark 9/11 anniversary

911 Plus Five Equals...?
By Will Durst, AlterNet. Posted September 8, 2006.

nothing from WILL at all.... sad. But there is a good one in the comments:

Top 19 Omissions & Distortions
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Posted by: dainin on Sep 8, 2006 5:54 PM
David Ray Griffin, The 911 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions...

Published September 10, 2006 [ From the Lansing State Journal ]
Duane Hershberger: For some, reason collapsed along with WTC's two towers

ccording to Scripps Survey Research Center, over one-third of Americans believe the U.S. government was complicit in the terrorist attacks of 9/11. Fully 16 percent specifically blame the World Trade Center collapse on government-planted explosives.

That is, one in every six American adults assert their government schemed to kill 3,000 people, and only missed killing 25,000 by not detonating sooner.

It would be comforting if the one in six belonged to the same group of Americans (58 percent) who, according to a Zogby poll, can name the Three Stooges, but not the three branches of government. You could write off the conspiracy theorists as ignorant kooks.Advertisement

Unfortunately, ignorance is not the issue. The conspiracists probably can name the three branches of government: the Evil Executive, the Lawless Legislative and the Jejune Judiciary.

From a those-around-me-are-sane standpoint, the "government bombed the WTC" theory is a mild delusion, comfortably nestled among the ideas that the Pentagon was not hit by a plane, that 4,000 Jews who worked in the WTC called in sick on 9/11 and that al-Qaida had no involvement with the attacks. Speaking relatively, these are the "reality-based" ideas.

Momentarily at the fringe, government-murder-plot-wise, we have Professor Emeritus A. K. Dewdney, at the University of Western Ontario. He believes (and I quote):

1. Four commercial passenger jets (American Airlines Flights 11 and 77 and United Airlines Flights 93 and 175) take off; shortly after the pilots are ordered to land at a designated airport with a military presence.

2. Two previously prepared planes (one a Boeing 767, painted up to look like a United Airlines jet and loaded with extra jet fuel) take off and are flown by remote control to intercept the flight paths of AA11 and UA175 so as to deceive the air traffic controllers.

3. These (substituted) jets then fly toward Manhattan; the first crashes into the North Tower and (18 minutes later) the second crashes into the South Tower.

4. A fighter jet (under remote control), or a cruise missile, crashes into the Pentagon.

5. Back at the airport, the (innocent) passengers from three of the Boeings are transferred to the fourth (UA93).

6. This plane takes off, flies toward Washington, and is shot down by a U.S. Air Force jet over Pennsylvania, eliminating the innocent witnesses to the diversion of the passenger planes.

7. Under cover of darkness later that evening, the other three Boeings are flown by remote control out over the Atlantic, and end up in pieces at the bottom of the ocean.

Dewdney has contributed to Scientific American and is the author of several books on computer science. Neither he, nor BYU professor Steven Jones - the academic progenitor of the WTC bombing theory - are self-evidently flakes. Nonetheless, neither would go unheralded in a pie-crust factory.

I haven't space to present rebuttals to the "theories" mentioned above, but I can point you to some debunking information linked through my blog:


Measure up your theories against this clever write-up.

Submitted by u2r2h on Sun, 09/10/2006 - 6:19pm.

Shooting down the best of 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

Updated Sun. Sep. 10 2006 1:49 PM ET

Michael Stittle, News

The first strike was a surprise, but when the second jetliner struck the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, dozens of cameras recorded the explosion. The world's major news organizations, alerted after the first plane hit, watched carefully. But in the chaos it was difficult to make sense of the attack, or even know that an attack had occurred.

Details emerged slowly. Structural engineers and other experts started investigating how the towers fell, until conjecture became fact: fuel heated the buildings' steel support columns, weakening the beams until the floors sagged and collapsed.

Yet five years after the terrible event, some believe there is more to the story -- that the official version of events is wrong. Just days before the anniversary, Steven Jones, a professor of physics at Brigham Young University in Utah, was suspended on paid leave because he argued explosives brought down the towers.

Conspiracy theories, many accusing the United States government of orchestrating the attacks, grew in popularity. A documentary called Loose Change, collecting these theories and stating them as the truth, became a underground hit on Google's online video website and

A message on the documentary's official website declares: "IT IS EVERYONE'S DUTY TO VIEW THIS FILM!"

According to a July survey conducted by the Scripps Howard News Service and Ohio University, 36 per cent of Americans felt it was "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that federal officials either knew of the attacks and did nothing -- or even helped in the attacks -- because they wanted to start a war in the Middle East.

9/11 conspiracy theorists purport to use eyewitness accounts, expert analysis and photographic evidence to back their claims. Generally, they examine mysterious inconsistencies in the official version of events - specifically, how the Pentagon and World Trade Center were damaged and destroyed.

Here is an analysis of the major theories, and how they are proven wrong:

World Trade Center: Explosives, not planes, destroyed the towers

Conspiracy theorists like Jones, the Utah physical professor, argue the towers collapsed at about a free-fall speed -- the same time it would take an apple to hit the ground after being dropped from the top floor.

Footage of the event shows it took nine seconds for the north tower to fall, and 11 seconds for the south tower.

The argument is that the towers should have slowly fallen down, instead of quickly collapsing like a building destroyed by an expert demolitions team. Therefore, explosives were placed inside the building beforehand and detonated. In fact, moments before each floor collapsed, a flash of light could be seen, likely from a blast.

Even stranger, American Airlines Flight 11 hit the north tower first, more than 15 minutes before United Airlines flight 175 exploded into the south tower. Both planes were Boeing 767s, with the same mass and presumably the same speed and force of impact. And yet, the south tower fell first.

Further evidence the planes did not bring down the towers is that their burning jet fuel would have had little effect on the buildings' integrity. Steel melts at an extremely high temperature of about 1,500 degrees Celsius, but jet fuel has a maximum temperature of 1,100 degrees Celsius.

Why this is wrong:

The idea that the planes did not destroy the towers is so prevalent that the U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) released a detailed scientific explanation to refute the claim.

NIST studied the collapse for three years, using 200 technical experts -- from the institute itself, the private sector and the academic world. Together, they surveyed a massive amount of data, including videos of the collapse, eyewitnesses accounts and 236 steel fragments.

According to the institute's findings, the towers collapsed for two reasons:

First, the impact of the planes damaged the buildings' structural integrity. The south tower was hit second but was the first to collapse, because Flight 175 hit the building's corner, creating a major imbalance. Flight 11 hit the middle of the north tower, leaving the corners in far better shape.

Second, in some areas of the towers, the temperature of the spilled jet fuel was as hot as 1,000 degrees Celsius. The intense heat added stress to already weakened floors, which sagged inward and added weight to the support columns.

When conspiracy theorists argue the jet fuel was not hot enough to melt the towers' steel columns, they are correct. But the towers did not collapse because the steel melted, they collapsed because the columns, already damaged by the jetliners' collision, softened and warped under the heat, until they buckled and the floors collapsed.

The planes also broke water pipes connecting the emergency water sprinkler systems. But even if the sprinklers had worked after the planes hit, they would have done little to lessen the severity of so much inflamed jet fuel, spread over an estimated 40,000 square feet.

As for why the buildings fell so quickly, the answer is simple: when the top floors collapsed, they carried so much weight that the lower floors had absolutely no resistance to the force.

As Thomas Eager, a professor of materials science at MIT, told the Washington Post: "At first, I thought it was amazing that the buildings would come down in their own footprints. Then I realized that it wasn't that amazing -- it's the only way a building that weighs a million tons and is 95 percent air can come down."

When eyewitnesses claim to have heard explosions prior to the collapse, these just the sounds of a massive building contorting and crushing anything inside. And flashes of light that seemed to indicate bombs detonating were not explosions. They were pockets of airs being forced out of windows as the sagging floors pushed downward.

The Pentagon: A missile, not a plane

Still images captured after the Pentagon was struck show a small hole in the side of the outer ring wall - too small for a Boeing 757 to have crashed through the wall.

There were also seemingly no large aircraft parts recovered from the wreckage of American Airlines Flight 77. In fact, photographs of the scene show very few aircraft parts anywhere.

And what about the wings? Shouldn't the impact from a jetliner leave not just a narrow hole, but heavy damage on either?

Instead, conspiracy theorists claim missile blew through the Pentagon, or perhaps a smaller plane, like a jet. Either one could have knocked a neat hole through several walls of concrete and steel, but not a massive jetliner.

The U.S. government has not helped its case: it was only until 2006 that the justice department released two videos, recorded on Pentagon security cameras, that show Flight 77 hitting the building. The videos were only released after a group called Judicial Watch requested the footage using the Freedom of Information Act.

Both videos can be seen here.

But the videos are a poor document of the attack. The actual collision only appears in two frames, because the plane was traveling at 530 miles per hour (853 kilometres per hour) when it hit.

Worse, with the angle of the videos, all sense of scale is lost. In the foreground, a passing car takes up most of the screen. The object hitting the Pentagon occurs in the background, and it's difficult to determine how large the object is in relation to the five-story building.

Why this is wrong:

The American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) examined the Pentagon damage between September 2001 and April 2002. When the group's investigators arrived at the scene, much of the material and wreckage had already been removed as workers struggled to keep the outer ring from collapsing. This is why photographs show very little wreckage.

But ASCE still had access to crucial evidence like eyewitness accounts, original architectural plans and subsequent renovation designs, and information on what materials were used in the building.

The group was able to determine the actual size of the hole before the building collapsed, by simply looking at which support columns were broken after the plane hit. ASCE measured the hole at 27.5 metres in diameter.

According to Boeing, the measurements of a Boeing 757's wingspan is about 38 metres, while the body's exterior width is 3.7 metres.

According to the ASCE report, neither wing actually penetrated the building, because they were damaged before the plane hit the outer facade. Flight 77 hit the ground before the Pentagon, and much of its left wing likely ripped off or was badly damaged. When it crashed into the building, the other wing shattered on impact, along with the front of the plane.

It was actually the rear body of the plane that passed through the building, after the front opened up a hole. What continued into the Pentagon after the impact were the end sections of the fuselage and the landing-gear -- heavy equipment that must necessarily be durable enough to carry tons of steel as the plane touches down on a runway. The black box, also located near the back of the plane, was recovered from deep inside the building.

The plane also hit a section of the Pentagon that had recently undergone renovations, to make the walls even more blast resistant, along with the windows.

But stronger proof is the forensic evidence that identified 64 people aboard Flight 77, linking DNA of the victims' remains to DNA samples given by family members. Even the hijackers' remains were found, close to where the plane hit the outer wall because they were presumably near the front.

Secrecy or cover-up?

Conspiracy theories surrounding Flight 77 and the Pentagon are fueled by a lack of video footage of the event, and the military's slow response to the attacks. After all, how could the United States possibly allow a jetliner so close to the Defence Department's headquarters?

For some, it may be easier to believe the government planned the attack to gain support for a war in the Middle East, rather than the fact it failed to use the most powerful military in the world to effectively respond to four hijacked planes.

The 9/11 Commission Report, prepared by the National Commission on the Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, shows that various agencies were unable to properly communicate information about the jetliners, especially Flight 77.

The sector of NORAD responsible for monitoring the area of the Pentagon is the Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS), based in Rome, New York.

On the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, NEADS had access to just four immediately available fighter jets that could take off in a moment's notice: two from Otis Air National Guard Base in Cape Cod, Massachusetts, and two from Langley Air Force Base in Hampton, Virginia.

The Otis jets were first scrambled during the attacks in New York, while the Langely jets were sent just moments before the Pentagon was hit.

Flight 77 lost contact with Federal Flight Administration (FAA) controllers at 8:56 a.m., after hijackers took control and turned off the transponder - a device that tracks the plane through radio signals. The Indianapolis Center was monitoring the flight and had noticed it veer off course, but also lost radar contact. Later investigations found the radar had a software problem, and there was poor radar coverage where Flight 77 was heading.

The radar signal was only restored at 9:05 a.m., just before the hijackers turned Flight 77 east toward the Pentagon. But officials never saw the plane change direction, and lost track of its path. FAA Officials at the Command Center never asked other centers to look for the plane, so it continued unnoticed toward the Pentagon.

It was not until 9:20 a.m. that the Indianapolis Center discovered other planes had been hijacked.

At 9:24, Langely jets were scrambled but mistakenly told that Flight 11 - already a burning wreck inside the World Trade Center - was the plane heading to the Washington, D.C. area. Officials ordered them to find a ghost.

The FAA never mentioned Flight 11 to the military until 9:34 a.m. But by that time it was too late. The Langley jets had earlier been given no real target, so they had followed protocol and were heading due east from Virginia to get out of local airspace traffic, instead of north to the capital.

It was impossible for the pilots to find Flight 77 in time. At 9:37 a.m., the jetliner tore a hole into the Pentagon. The Langely jets were 240 kilometres away.

As the report concludes:

"(The military) had at most one or two minutes to react to the unidentified plane approaching Washington, and the fighters were in the wrong place to be able to help. They had been responding to a report about an aircraft that did not exist."


No matter how much perfume

No matter how much perfume you try to spray on the official story it still ends up smelling like a pile of sh*t ?.
Wonder why that is?


I think that the best way to fight terrorism is to look at why all this has happened. What did we as Americans or rather, our government do to provoke this? Why does everyone hate us so much? Why are we in Iraq? We need to look at how it is that we handle world affairs. We can't bend the rules that we help set up within certain global organizations. We need to change, but in those weeks following the attacks we told the world that we will not change. We need to stop imposing our way of life on others. We need to make a better effort to try to accomodate to the language and customs of the countries that we visit.

What's with the tiny font?

It wrecks the rest of the blog posts.

close the html next time

k? thanks

I sent this to feedback

Did Mr. Stittle overlook something here? In order to shoot down the
first conspiracy theory he non-chalantly broke some fundamental laws
of physics. An hour long diffuse fire of well less than 1000 degrees
celcius would not even begin to weaken the 4 inch thick girders of
this building . Hence, how does the weight alone of the upper floors
simply crash through these extremely strong supports as if they were
not even there?????

Incredible that Mr. Stittle is attempting to sweep this strikingly
obvious fact under the carpet. I've noted that the I.Q. of major
media journalists reporting on this issue is excessively low for some

The fact that these towers fell at free-fall speed cannot be changed,
nor will the laws of physics budge as the result of double talking
lies. I suggest you reconsider your argument, before you are made a

Submitted by Canadian Truth ... on Mon, 09/11/2006 - 1:42pm


A LOT of articles about 911 conspiracies ...

Submitted by u2r2h on Mon, 09/11/2006 - 1:18am.

Is American Democracy Too Feeble To Deal With 9/11?

By Paul Craig Roberts, September 10, 2006

Under the title:
Debunking 9/11 -- It's time to finally put the conspiracy theories to rest.
by Sonny Bunch
the prestigious magazine
lets Philip Zelikow tells us about conspiracy theories:
"Our worry is when things become infectious, as happened with the [John F. Kennedy] assassination. Then this stuff can be deeply corrosive to public understanding."

... Loose Change is filled with utter horseshit.
LOOSE BRAINS 09.11.06 By Devin Faraci
... a movie that serves as a meticulous piece of propaganda for stupidity...

The EVER SO INFORMATIVE with a very readable
Five years since 9/11: A political balance sheet

What is known about the events of 9/11?

The so-called 9/11 Commission was nothing more than a cynical and mendacious exercise in politically-expedient cover-up, organized with the more or less explicit purpose of blocking a real criminal investigation and preventing the discovery of evidence that 1) linked the 9/11 terrorists to US intelligence agencies, and 2) exposed criminal complicity on the part of elements within the state in facilitating and abetting the success of the 9/11 conspiracy.

The fraudulent character of the 9/11 Commission was guaranteed by the selection of its leading personnel, beginning with its chairperson, Thomas Kean. He brought to this investigation all the integrity and zeal for truth that one would expect of a former New Jersey governor and board member of Amerada Hess, the international oil corporation. Indeed, among Kean’s special qualifications for serving as co-chairman of the 9/11 Commission may have been his own secretive business dealings with the Saudi-controlled Delta Oil Company, whose owners are believed to have provided millions of dollars in financing to Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden.


Commentary: Democrats screen movie questioning 9/11 story

By George Bennett

Palm Beach Post Columnist

Monday, September 11, 2006

Five years later, the suggestion that a shadowy domestic cabal and not Osama bin Laden was behind the 9/11 attacks has gone from tin-hat chatter to an officially sanctioned way to recruit grass-roots workers and drum up a few bucks for the Palm Beach County Democratic Party.

The local party's Volunteer Outreach, Information, Coordination and Education (VOICE) Committee is sponsoring a screening of the 9/11 conspiracy pic Loose Change later this month (suggested donation: $5) with a special appearance by Space Coast Democratic congressional long shot Bob Bowman, a prominent doubter of the official 9/11 narrative.

The VOICE Committee's Rick Neuhoff handed out Exposing the Myth of 9/11 fliers at Thursday's Democratic Executive Committee powwow. Neuhoff says he's convinced that President Bush had "foreknowledge" of the attacks and that the World Trade Center "didn't come down because of the planes."

The local Democratic Party isn't endorsing any 9/11 theory, Chairman Wahid Mahmood says, just trying to present "an educational process for all of us."

The 911 Truth Movement

by Joe Plummer

Prior to 9/11, I was painfully naïve. I had never heard of operation Ajax, Operation Gladio, or Operation Northwoods. I knew nothing of the cover up surrounding the attack on the USS Liberty; I knew nothing of the Gulf of Tonkin deception or the "surprise attack" on Pearl Harbor. I'd never heard of "false flag" operations, and I sure as Hell would have never believed "my government" would coordinate and participate in terrorist attacks against civilian targets. Sadly, I now know otherwise.

More articles are appearing MY THE MINUTE:


Newspaper Snippets .

Submitted by u2r2h on Tue, 09/12/2006 - 4:06am.

Enough of the 9/11 Conspiracies, Already
By Matthew Rothschild

Another lefty who is not patient enough to properly observe,
and then QUICKLY makes up his mind... cocksure.

Maybe they all have slow internet and cannot
download footage that SHOWS the explosions etc etc.

But they are hardly alone. Even convinced conspiracy
theorists ..amazingly, they all have seen the
second plane that buttered into the south tower
... and they ALL think that this footage is authentic.

Simply ridiculous.


Stan Cox: 9/11 - Based on a True Story
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Tue, 09/05/2006 - 2:00pm. Guest Contribution


Unbearable HUMAN INTEREST story
weaves the official version into the picture...

a jet VANISHES into the soft earth... HOW RIDICULOUS..

but they still print this rubbish...

Ultra right wingers also have UNANSWERED QUESTIONS
reprints Unanswered Questions of September 11
By Rowan Scarborough and Jerry Seper
Washington Times | September 11, 2006

September 11 commissioner Fred Fielding, White House counsel to President Reagan, has his own pet mystery.

"The one thing that always bothered me, and we never got to the bottom of," Mr. Fielding said, was why Atta and fellow hijacker Abdulaziz Alomari drove from Boston to Maine to catch a flight back to Boston to connect with American Flight 11.

"What doesn't make sense to me is, this plot had to be perfect," Mr. Fielding said in an interview. "Everything had to work right for these guys, and unfortunately, it did. They couldn't have any mistakes.

"Atta and his team went up to Portland, Maine, and they flew back and had to go through two security checks. ... I've never figured it out. Why did he go to Portland, and what [did they do] in Portland, because it doesn't make any sense. He put the whole plan in jeopardy."

Enough of the 9/11 Conspiracies, Already
By Matthew Rothschild

Another lefty who is not patient enough to properly observe,
and then QUICKLY makes up his mind... cocksure.

Maybe they all have slow internet and cannot
download footage that SHOWS the explosions etc etc.

But they are hardly alone. Even convinced conspiracy
theorists ..amazingly, they all have seen the
second plane that buttered into the south tower
... and they ALL think that this footage is authentic.

Simply ridiculous.


Stan Cox: 9/11 - Based on a True Story
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Tue, 09/05/2006 - 2:00pm. Guest Contribution


Unbearable HUMAN INTEREST story
weaves the official version into the picture...

a jet VANISHES into the soft earth... HOW RIDICULOUS..

but they still print this rubbish...

Ultra right wingers also have UNANSWERED QUESTIONS
reprints Unanswered Questions of September 11
By Rowan Scarborough and Jerry Seper
Washington Times | September 11, 2006

September 11 commissioner Fred Fielding, White House counsel to President Reagan, has his own pet mystery.

"The one thing that always bothered me, and we never got to the bottom of," Mr. Fielding said, was why Atta and fellow hijacker Abdulaziz Alomari drove from Boston to Maine to catch a flight back to Boston to connect with American Flight 11.

"What doesn't make sense to me is, this plot had to be perfect," Mr. Fielding said in an interview. "Everything had to work right for these guys, and unfortunately, it did. They couldn't have any mistakes.

"Atta and his team went up to Portland, Maine, and they flew back and had to go through two security checks. ... I've never figured it out. Why did he go to Portland, and what [did they do] in Portland, because it doesn't make any sense. He put the whole plan in jeopardy."


My Reply to The Progressive

"Mr. Rothschild:

Thank you for addressing this unsettling phenomenon.

In the interest of helping you lay this monster to rest, let me suggest several “anomalies” that you might cast light upon:

- The unprecedented behavior of the Secret Service at Booker Elementary. (Some would say not unprecedented:

- The money transfer link between the ISI Chief (meeting with US officials in DC on 9/11), Atta and Standard Charter Bank (WTC7 tenant). By the way, the “Jersey Girls” raise this prominently in the new film 9/11: Press for Truth, and formally demanded a new “independent” investigation yesterday at the NPC. Worthy of media attention?

- This seemingly forgotten money trail:
Who would have had reason to believe the computers would be completely destroyed? Perhaps Convar, its parent Kroll or the FBI could be asked to release the results of this investigation.

As it turns out, even the revelation that “Corley, by the way, also headed up the investigation of the Murrah Building’s collapse in Oklahoma City” fails to comfort some, who cannot understand how the “fog of war” accounts for such specific early reports:

There are many other seemingly taboo questions that Popular Mechanics or the State Department would do well to answer if the nation is to be rid of these crippling doubts about the “official story”, but you get the idea.

A Concerned Reader"

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