Tuesday, May 29, 2007

NO PLANE or What? NPT Noplaner theories

911 Video Footage of the Planes Striking the WTC was Fake

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Tragedy can teach us many things. Some of the lessons we draw from September 11, 2001 are surprising.

For starters, jets flying 450+ M.P.H. into steel buildings make no noise on impact. This is verified with two sources. If you rent the Naudet Brothers’s documentary “911”, fast-forward the tape to where the firemen investigate the gas leak. Seconds later Gedeon Naudet presumably shoots American Airlines 11 (AA 11) flying into the North Tower of the World Trade Center (WTC). We hear the sound of the plane. We hear the explosions. We hear people yelling with astonishment. However, there is no audio of the impact.

Similarly, CNN broadcast footage which shows the same anomaly. (This is said to be from an amateur shooting from the Battery; i.e., the famous shot of United Airlines 175 striking the South Tower seen from the south.) In the audio sequence we hear the sound of the jet plane arriving, the explosions and then people reacting with horror at the spectacular fireball. However, there is no impact sound.

All of the other footage that the TV networks aired of planes striking the WTC disaster is silent. There appears to be no audio of the impacts of either Flight 11 or Flight 175 striking the World Trade Center.

Another lesson learned from 9-11 is that jet planes flying 450+ M.P.H. into steel buildings do not have any parts break off and fall to the ground below. Let’s begin with the already-mentioned
CNN video from the south. When reviewing the videotape we can see that UA 175 actually enters the South Tower without any part of a wing, no part of the fuselage, not even a beverage tray breaking off on impact.

Previous experiments on land with heavy objects (e.g., cars, rockets) striking walls at high speed all show large amounts of metallic confetti produced at the juncture of the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object. Still, all of the video footage aired by the news networks capture UA 175 striking and entering the South Tower like a hot knife cuts through melted butter. The extent to the trauma caused from the plane's impact with the building is typically a single flash which quickly appears and disappears in the span of a single frame.

Another surprise with the video footage of UA 175
striking the South Tower is that it is silver. This
is the color of American Airlines’s fleet. Unfortunately, United Airlines has a grey and dark-blue color scheme.

Strangely, UA 175 is also not affected by the Sun. For example, sometime during the day of 9/11/01 CNN broadcast more “amateur” footage of UA 175 from a position east of the WTC. In this footage we see the jet arriving in
silhouette. It remains in shadow until it disappears into the South Tower.

Yet, UA 175 presumably struck the South Tower at 9:03 a.m. on 9/11/01. It was a beautiful day. The Sun was coming low and to the east at that hour. When shooting
UA 175 from the same compass point it should not be in
silhouette as it arrives. Now, perhaps the WTC blocks its light as UA 175 draws near. Still, with UA presumably hundreds of feet away from the Twin Towers there is nothing to block the eastern light. The video footage with it arriving from this compass point should not be showing a jet in silhouette.

Shooting video of jet planes which are not affected by sunlight and which do not leave any sound (or material) behind when colliding with immense steel towers might be a challenge for some videographers. However, most of the known amateurs who managed to shoot this highly unique catastrophe employed the professional technique of zooming-out just prior to the arrival of the moment of maximum visual interest.

Consider the spectacular footage of UA 175 striking the South Tower that is currently being sold by Camera Planet. We see (silver) UA 175 arriving. It quickly disappears behind a building. The camera operator suddenly executes a manual zoom-out. The zoom is accomplished in only one second. A small fraction of a second after the camera is zoomed-out UA 175 briefly reappears (in shadow). Then it strikes the South Tower and a spectacular fireball results.

What’s unusual about this? Let's remember how they are made. Zooms are either made manually or automatically. Manual zooms are made by reaching for
the lens and turning it. Automatic ones are accomplished by reaching for and then holding down a button on the camera. The Camera Planet zoom-out was made in one second suggesting that it was a manual zoom.

The camera operator starts out presumably holding the camera with two hands, using the stronger of the two as the primary one. While holding it this way he follows the once-in-a-millenium-low-flying jet coming in to strike the South Tower of the World Trade Center. The moment the plane disappears from view he grabs his lens and radically alters the picture. Fortunately, this alteration concludes milliseconds before the plane reappears. There is no problem with grabbing the lens and turning it without hesitation in the correct direction. The zoom-out also doesn't go too far. Finally, the subject does not need reframing mid-way through it. (I'm assuming the author is male because a man takes credit in Camera Plant's voiceover.)

Perhaps this footage was simply a miraculous fluke. Curiously, almost all of the other footage that the TV networks broadcast of UA 175 striking the South Tower
features an interesting zoom-out just as the action gets most interesting. New York City was chock full of amateur videographers that day who are highly skilled at
making zooms midway through sensational subject matter.

CNN’s infamous view from the south shows the camera is examining the WTC in relative close-up as the North Tower burns. Suddenly, the amateur shooting it expertly zooms out. A second later
UA 175 arrives.

Other footage aired by the TV networks from a vantage point east of the WTC show
the North Tower close. Then the camera zooms-out, briefly waits and UA 175 arrives.

Pavel Hlava, the lucky Czech immigrant construction worker who managed to shoot both the North and South towers getting hit (between taking the Brooklyn Battery tunnel) has allowed his video to be screened exactly once on network television (09/13/03, Good Morning America. Also Fox News

has reported that his agent, Walter Karling, will not give out his phone number and will not speak to the Associated Press.). Still, Hlava’s footage of the South Tower hit, which was very similar to CNN’s footage from the south,
follows the pattern. Hlava features a close-up of the North tower burning. Then he expertly zooms out just as UA 175 arrives.

Why did all of these amateur videographers risk losing their subject zoom-out just as UA 175 arrives? Didn’t they feel that the subject matter was already of intense
interest to them? Surely this scene didn't need dramatic embellishment added.

The lessons learned from 9/11/01 are unbelievable. The video documentation reveals that jets can fly into steel buildings silently and as efficiently as a hand enters a glove. The Sun also doesn't shine on UA 175; UA 175 remains largely shrouded in shadow even when it is videotaped from the direction of the morning light on a cloudless day. In addition, there are many amateur videographers in New York city with proven credentials with live footage thatrival the professionals who cover the Super Bowl. Space precludes mentioning other serious logical problems with the footage.

Either all of these things are true or the TV networks
screened video sequences that were fabrications. Thus, tragic events of international consequence are no longer being covered by the news media today. They are being manufactured with needed deceptions taken care of with the assistance of the national news media.

Cinema has come along way since Billy Bitzer was shooting innovative footage for D.W. Griffith at the Biograph studio.

Scott Loughrey


Let the insults fly.

DZ ... I declare this a censorship free zone.

This comment-section will not be moderated

read it at your own risk.

--- Foul language is to be expected. ---

(There needs to be free discussion. It regularly needs to INCLUDE abuse... Abuse is one way to find out HOW SERIOUS people are. Good Abuse does NOT equal bad abuse!)

you can quote me on that, MFs

No NEED to read the article

I forgot to say..

Now that is cleared up.

THERE IS NO NEED TO read the above article anymore.

Move, on, nothing to see here...

ZeRRoX told us everything there is to tell.

Like, when the missing left stab re-appears, all is well.

There is NO VIDEO FAKERY if at least SOME FRAMES contain the whole image. You just need to imagine missing left stab to be in EVERY frame.

NPT fanatic

You have explanation for everything, missing frames are due to compression. Or fakery, which is more probable.

Unless you analyze original uncompressed footage you should be silent about missing frames.

Every banned no-planer = 1000 new Truthers !!!


The sound of "explosion" is sound of impact. This is obvious :)
Maybe, you have corrupted audio track of that video. It has a correct sound delay too.

And I´m glad you have found your missing left stab of the 2nd plane, it´s clearly seen on the picture you posted. It´s just another angle.

You have debunked yourself.

Every banned no-planer = 1000 new Truthers !!!

> The sound of "explosion"

> The sound of "explosion" is sound of impact.

Oh wow, So there is no bang before the boom!!

Thanks for clearing that up!!

> This is obvious :)

I feel so ashamed.

> Maybe, you have corrupted audio track of that video.
> It has a correct sound delay too.

My fault.

> And I´m glad you have found your missing left stab
> of the 2nd plane, it´s clearly seen on the picture you
> posted. It´s just another angle.

Oh, how wonderful that you tell us it is another angle!!

I feel so relieved now, ... now that you, the expert, gave us the definitive word.

> You have debunked yourself.

Thanks for pointing that out. DebunKING is KING.

But you are the emperor!

Thank you.

This I call an EGO-BOOST.
Thanks again from such expert, I´m honoured.

Every banned no-planer = 1000 new Truthers !!!

its not funny, u2r2h. your

its not funny, u2r2h.
your theories bear all the hallmarks of a true 'conspirac theory'. the first one that comes to mind are the thousands of agents that would have been needed to pull this off. this takes 911 back to where some people want it to be, in the conspiracy corner for crazy paranoid people.
now, i have no problem accepting other views. but, its kinda supsicious that all the no planers have something in common. they like to fight and cause arguments about the same thing over and over.
see, i have taken the time to look at that no plain stuff that gets posted here , but, sorry, it wasn't worth it.
as someone else already pointed out, as long as you are analyzing such compressed pics, its quite simply pointless. Study the effects of image compression first.

New Theory

"no bang before the boom" this is ridiculous. I thought all the time , that it was sound of the impact.

We should call an expert, who knows how does jets flying 450+ M.P.H. into steel buildings sound, as a judge.It shouldn´t be hard(sarcasm).
We need unbiased one(Nico is out).

NPT fanatics new theory is here: It´s called NBBB "no bang before the boom".

yep it is ridiculous. Its

yep it is ridiculous. Its not as simple as u2.. looks at it.
You have to take into consideration:
- the time between the impact and the boom
- the time it takes for sound to 'travel'
- high-pass filter that probably was active during recording. (as it is very often for location recording)
- and a gazillion of other factors, we are talking about *massive air pressure* here, not hi-fi speakers playing two sounds with a few millisecs inbetween.
its not surprising at all that the sound becomes one big bang, and not an impact-boom and then a fireball-boom.

Knocking an idea without investigating = IGNORANCE

The SECOND plane video is faked. ... seriously.

You guys need to overcome the IGNORANCE STIGMA.

You even profess not reading the actual arguments.

You simply dismiss without investigation.

I can help:

Think about the logistics. How would YOU pull 911 off?

1) Without a second passenger 767 its far far easier.
2) any computer-trickery improves efficiency (less people, more targeted effect)
3) A few well-placed items will BUMSTEER everyone. The COVER UP is greatly expedited

OK, you are still NOT SOLD.

How about money.

It would be MUCH MUCH cheaper.

OK, still not.

How about visual evidence:

1) Ghost Gun
2) TV fakery
3) [Image]

Oh I forgot.. .. its all result of video copmpression.

You KNOW the mathematics of video compression and you can say this FOR A FACT... to doubt is to be deluded.

YOU DID NOT READ 1) ... you did not understand it. you did not even make a serious effort.

Marcus Icke worked on this for days and days...

and he is dumb, and you are clever.

Thats why you can dismiss it in ONE SECOND.

The american way. We all live in America ...la la lala

it´s not about ignorance

Ok, I think we can both agree, that for such analyses you NEED ORIGINAL FOOTAGE !!!

If other experts review your work and come to the same conclusion, I will say its faked. Obtain the original footage !!!

NPT fanatics new theory is here: It´s called NBBB "no bang before the boom".

Get back on your meds :)

Come on, u2, what's up? No longer satisfied with getting Chris' panties in a bunch, you've decided to try to rile the general population of blogger? Are you that bored? I say this because you've posted two entries in the last couple of days that are about as inflammatory to the discursive environment here as it is possible to get.

A lot of us -- myself certainly included -- have investigated the claims of "tv fakery." For me, it was about two things: curiosity, and not wanting to be a hypocrite by dismissing something out of hand. I am not convinced. I am not even convinced it is an avenue worthy of time and effort on the part of researchers, let alone worthy of continual prominence on page one of the "tracker" feature. When the Scholars' group publishes the promised peer-reviewed papers, I will certainly read them. In the meanwhile, when it comes to weighing first person accounts such as John Albanese's against the very crappy res videos continually put forth, I'm going with testimony.


What is 9/11 TV Fakery-Pt.6.1008 (More "Discrepancy planes")



LOL! that is the most

LOL! that is the most ridiculous 'no-plain-proof video' ive seen so far. That looped statement , oh my god. talking about brainwashing. And the music at the end is just , well, ridiculous.And that image-overlaying ..##?? And yea i know, the music is not important, but its the only thing in there worth writing about, cause its at least kinda funny.

Applause! Yet again, this


Yet again, this mirrors entirely a post I made on another site about the audio.

Really guys c'mon, the KISS principle is writ large over this.

What would have happened if the "plane" had missed it's intended target, hit a heavily populated area?? No we can't have that!!

Impossible manoevers at incredible speeds by an untrained pilot. That would never fly!!

What if the "hijack" didnt go as as planned, if the passengers had regained control?? Couldnt have that!!

What if the "crash" didnt go as planned, what if the hijackers and passengers had survived the crash into the building? Not beyond impossibility!! Couldnt have that?

What if the pilot got lost and flew around for hours looking for the target with NO intercept?? That would look dodgy. It already looks dodgy.

And how would they find the New York from 35,000 ft? Did they just look out the cockpit windopw and there it was?

The "plane scenario" has too many "hows" and "what if's" ? There were too many things that could go wrong.

And we all know that the BTS says the flights didnt take off.
We know that the passenger lists are fake, and that the FAA say that the UA planes are still flying and the AA planes were'nt AA planes.

How much more do you need?

Hey how about we load the towers with explosives? A couple of fake planes for the TV, we have some at the Pentagon from a war games scenario. We could have some smoke and mirrors at the Pentagon also, a drill maybe? And we need some heroes - passengers regain control and take the plane down in Redneckville, Penn. We have a good hole in a field out there we could use!

Do you think the goons will buy it?

We have to try or we are f*cked. Remember the inauguration parade?? The stolen election?? That war we are supposed to start??

well, theres a "simple"

well, theres a "simple" solution for all the problems with planes that you list. And that is remote controlled planes. For sure simpler than 'tv fakery'. And it doesnt require 2999 agents across the media, not to mention all the eye witnesses.

Remote control planes are

Remote control planes are extremely hard to fly. Even harder to fly at low altitude in a city full of skyscrapers.

The media are bent.

Hey, they went along with the Kennedy asassination bullshit, my blind grandmother could see the frame up!!

Just to remind you what an airplane actually looks like.

It could be fake - what is the problem?

Yes. The plane looks fake to me. Who knows?

Whatever your perception is as to what hit or didn't hit the Towers, it's not important right now.

What is important is to awaken others to the betrayal and ruthlessness of these individuals who instigated this attack on their own nation.

Please don't get caught up in the details of what exactly happened at this point. Sure, its important, but that should not be our priority right now.

The issue we need to keep focused upon is is not HOW they did it, its WHO did it.

We know that this Administration was closely involved, primarily by their continuing to lie, block investigations, stack committees with their buddies to block investigations and in essence do whatever they can to stop the facts and the truth from being revealed.

What I believe is important is ENGAGING OTHERS. We need to inspire conversation, create interest again and talk to others about what really happened and how it affects all of us, and why its important for them to get involved in what their government is doing to them.

We need to continue to awaken and arouse interest in this subject. about the governmental/White House lying to American citizens and instigating/allowing the murder of over 3,000 citizens to take place and to blame the attack on the Muslim community so this Administration and Military Industrial Complex can go on a killing spree in the Middle East.

A grotesque, evil plan that has blamed innocent people and incarcerated hundreds more for something this Administration was involved in.

That is what is important at this time.

If the planes were faked. Fine. We'll get to that. LATER.

I told you before, i tell you again!!

TV fakery is THE ONE issue that will start the revolution.

Joe Sixpack can relate to it!!

We will win if tv fakery is pushed into the mainstream.

think of it this way:

What is essential to the war on terror?

Mind fuck!! the only thing that they cannot do without
is perception management.

For those who need more proof of TV fakery:

here the reminder:


Of course, if you don't care to read, much less understand...
this will not be proof to you... but others, who DO READ.

Craig the NYPD who spoke sunday the 10th

Yeah, he said he saw a person squashed by an engine, and this guy is dying from pulmonary fibrosis from the toxic dust down there. So I'd have to say he's right, and you are a fool.

P.S. Remote controls WOULD be more feasible

How stupid can you be seriously?

Do you think by remote control he mean the chimp with a remote control?

Try laser guided GPS, again way more likely a cenario than the TV fakery.

I'm going to frame the same question I did to nico and everyone else who obsesses over this nominal area of 911.

EVEN if it's true, how effective would this area of research be in waking up the general population?

Do you think in the average american's mind it will hurt or help our case?

If you can't answer

It won't



you are mentally retarded, or have forgotten just how far corroded americans reality lines are from actual reality.

PLEASE show this one WIDELY

PLEASE show this one WIDELY *before* the 7nov06 'elections' ..

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